In this wide-ranging and deeply human conversation, Dr. Keith Witt and Corey deVos explore one of the most enduring questions of all: what does it mean to live a good life? Rather than offering simple answers or spiritual
clichés, Keith and Corey invite us into a rich, evolving inquiry—one that moves through our basic needs and motivations, into our relationships, and ultimately toward the deeper patterns of purpose, fulfillment, and meaning that shape our lives from the inside out.
Together they explore how our sense of “the good life” changes over time, how our inner and outer worlds are in constant dialogue, and how our ability to meet life consciously—rather than from reactive drama—becomes its own kind of spiritual practice. Along the way, they touch on themes like: This is not just a conversation about living well — it’s a lived example of it. Wise, funny, irreverent, and sincere, tune in for a nourishing reminder that even in the midst of chaos, we can still choose to move forward, grow together, and show up for the life that’s asking to be lived through us.
The good life isn’t a destination, it’s a feeling of movement.
Most people imagine the good life as a static outcome: a state of happiness, comfort, or achievement. But Keith reframes it as the felt sense of making meaningful progress on a current need. It’s not about arriving—it’s about sensing that you’re moving forward, even in small ways, toward what matters now.
We’re not just navigating life — we’re navigating two infinities.
Corey and Keith highlight the existential squeeze of being human: we’re caught between an infinite outer world (the cosmos, society, systems) and an infinite inner world (thoughts, dreams, shadows, consciousness). The good life isn’t found by mastering either—but by learning to move skillfully between them, with meaning as our compass.
Growth doesn’t replace previous stages
, it reclaims and re-integrates them.
As we evolve, we often discard earlier values like comfort, happiness, or tradition, seeing them as “less than” the new sets of values that are coming online. But integral living means recovering these earlier layers, holding them alongside later ones like meaning, complexity, and coherence. Development isn’t transcendence alone — it’s transcend and include.
A well-lived life isn’t pain-free — it’s pain-integrated.
Integral awareness doesn’t shield us from suffering — it increases our exposure to complexity, injustice, and paradox. But it also gives us practices, perspective, and presence to hurt less, even when we feel more. The good life isn’t free from pain—it includes the skill to metabolize it with grace.